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| Sabrina Jeffries 3/6/00 - Part 1 |
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SabrinaJef - Hi! I guess I'm in the right place, huh?
Peter B - Hi Sabrina
Camby - Speak of the author herself. Hi Sabrina
Stacey - Hi Sabrina
Cel - I'm just so disappointed that the Avon books aren't in my stores yet.
Reed - logged on - 3/5 at 9:14pm EST
Cel - Hi Reed
Stacey - Hi Sabrina
SabrinaJef - This is going to take some getting used to, never been in a room with icons.
Reed - hi everyone
SabrinaJef - Hi to everybody
Stacey - Hi Reed
Reed - brb, need to change colors
Camby - Hi Reed
Cel - Clik on the "Chat Icons" towards the bottom of you screen, Sabrina, and you can see what's available.
Peter B - Hi Reed
Reed - logged on - 3/5 at 9:15pm EST
Reed - there hows that?
Cel - wb Reed
Camby - The icons are a lot of fun Sabrina. For instance, when I read about Jordan, this one came to mind -
SabrinaJef - If y'all don't mind, I think I won't use them. Too confusing for me.
Cel - Nice color, Reed
SabrinaJef - LOL, Camby!
Stacey - wb Reed
Reed - thanks, Cel, how ya been?
Camby - wb Reed. Lovely as ever.
SabrinaJef - Well, I hope you like Ian just as much.
Sondra - logged on - 3/5 at 9:16pm EST
Sondra - Hello
Cel - Just fine, thanks, and how about you?
Reed - just a old drab color I tossed on Camby.
SabrinaJef - Has anybody been able to get the book yet?
Cel - Hi Sondra
Stacey - Hi Sondra
Cel - It's not here in Northern California yet, Sabrina.
Peter B - Hi Sondra
Camby - I'm sure I will Sabrina. When I read the Parasol Papers on your website, he intrigued me very much.
Reed - hi Sondra
Bren - logged on. - 3/5 at 9:17pm EST
Sondra - Sabrina, it's great to have you here tonight. I am a big fan of the Lord books!!
Reed - hi Bren
Camby - Hi Sondra
Cel - Hi Bren
Sondra - Hi
Bren
SabrinaJef - I've only seen it at Amazon so far.
Camby - No Avons in the DC area yet.
Peter B -
SabrinaJef - Thanks, Sondra!
Camby - Hi Bren
SabrinaJef - Okay, what does the coffee cup mean?
Sondra - I'll second what Camby said!!
Cel - It's got to where the 8th of each month is pretty accurate for when the Avons start showing up in the stores.
Sondra - brb
Sondra -
- 3/5 at 9:18pm EST
Camby - Peter is in Germany Sabrina, so he needs coffee to stay awake!
Cel - I think Peter was saying he was either going for coffee or tea.\
Stacey - Hi Bren
Bren - Hi everyone
Sondra - logged on - 3/5 at 9:19pm EST
Bren - wb sondra
Cel - brb
Peter B - Coffee ! Tea wouldn't work at this time.
Sondra - Experimenting with a new color. Like the new me?
Camby - wb Sondra
SabrinaJef - logged on - 3/5 at 9:20pm EST
Reed - looks great Sondra
Camby - wb Sabrina
Peter B - Unused, Sondra, very unused.
SabrinaJef - I went to check the chat icons and ended up out, so I changed my color.
SabrinaJef - Why not?
Camby - I hope we're not going to have problems with the room tonight.
Cel - Loveley *clothes* you are wearing now, Sabrina.
Stacey - Camby, my connection keeps timing out
Sondra - Is Cissy going to be the moderator tonight?
SabrinaJef - No, I think it's just me not knowing what I'm doing.
SabrinaJef - I've only done one chat before and some private ones.
SabrinaJef - Never been here for one.
Cel - I don't know, Sondra, but I'm sure she will show up soon.
SabrinaJef - Thanks, Cel.
Bren - brb
Peter B - Cissy isn't here. But maybe Sabrina can give some informations about her books. I admit, I never read her
Cel - Since we don't have a huge crowd (yet) why don't we start with an open forum if that's okay with you, Sabrina?
SabrinaJef - No problem, Peter. I'm still . . . er . . . building.
SabrinaJef - Sure. Does that mean we just all talk at once as usual.
Cel - If questions start coming too fast for you, I can moderate (if necessary) until Cissy gets here.
Camby - Works for me Cel
Cel - Yep, that's what it means Sabrina.
SabrinaJef - I type pretty fast.
Peter B - Do that, Cel !
Susanna -
- 3/5 at 9:24pm EST
SabrinaJef - As for info on my books, right now I have three out under this name.
Sondra - I've got a question. Did you intend the Pirate Lord to extend into a trilogy? And are you planning a new trilogy for your next book or will it be stand alone?
Susanna - Greetings all
!
SabrinaJef - The latest is coming out as we speak.
Cel - Hi Sus
Camby - Hi Susanna
Reed - HI Susanna
SabrinaJef - Actually, PL was supposed to be a two-book thing.
Peter B - This sounds as if you are using more than one name ?
Stacey - Hi susanna
SabrinaJef - HI, Susanna.
Peter B - a
Sondra -
susanna
Camby - Oooh. Good question Sondra
SabrinaJef - Yes, I used to write under Deborah Martin and Deborah Nicholas.
Sondra - Ian wasn't suppose to get a story origionally?
Peter B - So you can plan before starting a story, how many books it will be ?
SabrinaJef - Anyway, my next three books are connected pretty closely.
SabrinaJef - Three sister heroines, and the two heroes are both in the first book.
SabrinaJef - No, Sondra, Ian wasn't supposed to. He just . . . took over.
Bren - I'm back,
to anyone I missed
SabrinaJef - Bossy guy.
SabrinaJef - Yes, Peter, if you decide to do a trilogy, it's best to plan it.
SabrinaJef - Otherwise, you find yourself in trouble down the road.
Peter B - Sounds like an real alpha guy LOL
Camby - I'm glad he did Sabrina. And I'm so curious as to how the heroine gets out of the mess she's made with her gossip sheet. LOL
Cel - LOL Sabrina - love it when a character says *you need to write my story*.
SabrinaJef - Yep. Ian's alpha all right.
Peter B - Sabrina, I AM in trouble, that's why I asked.
Sondra - Ian was a great character, but Jordan is my favorite!!
SabrinaJef - Oh, are you writing a trilogy?
SabrinaJef - Sondra, have you read DL already?
SabrinaJef - Oh, just wait until you read Griff. He's MY favorite.
Peter B - Well, it started with one book, now I have decided to make two of it because it was to much and ...
Camby - Mine too Sondra. I loved it when he told Emily to marry him and put him out of his misery!
SabrinaJef - Now that's mean, isn't it, since the book won't be out until November.
Sondra - No, I am anxiously awaiting the released of DL like everyone else. But loved him in FL.
Peter B - May someone can translate FL, DL to mee
Camby - Very mean Sabrina. LOL
Peter B - Sabrina, surely not ! But I'm working to publish some others.
SabrinaJef - Sorry, Peter, it just takes too long to write out the titles.
SabrinaJef - PL for Pirate Lord; DL for Dangerous Lord; and FL for Forbidden Lord
Camby - Peter, the books are Pirate Lord, Forbidden Lord, and Dangerous Lord. Did I get them all?
Cel - That's them, Camby.
Peter B - Thanks, Camby. Sounds like historicals ?
Sondra - Sabrina, after I went to the Nora Roberts signing yesterday, I was at a UBS and found 2 copies of Pirate Lord. I'm going to post a note on the AAR list to see if anyone needs a copy. My good deed for the week!!
SabrinaJef - Peter, about your trilogy--that's what revisions are for.
Cel - They are historicals, Peter.
SabrinaJef - You can shape the books once you finish them.
Camby - Okay Sabrina, the Writerspace Chat Typical First Question - how did you get started writing, and why did you choose historical romance?
Sondra - I was surprised to find so many copies since it's hard to find!!
SabrinaJef - Ooh, I surprised you found it!
SabrinaJef - Gee, I type fast but not well, huh?
Peter B - Sabrina, after thousand pages, I don't need a review to know it was too much.
SabrinaJef - Nothing like seeing your typos in bright pink.
Sondra - Sabrina, join the club. We're all more intelligent than our spelling suggests!!
SabrinaJef - No, what I meant Peter, is that you can arrange the elements to your satisfaction after you've finished.
Cel - Don't worry about your typing in the chat room, Sabrian....we all make tons of typos.
Reed - amen, Sondra
SabrinaJef - I do a whole lot of revisions.
SabrinaJef - I've been reading romance since I was a kid. Literally.
Cel - See - I can't even spell your name right.
SabrinaJef - I read Barbara Cartlands in high school, and they were my favorites.
Peter B - May I send you something after I have finished the story.
SabrinaJef - LOL, Cel.
Stacey - LOL Cel
Peter B - And what time period are your books ?
SabrinaJef - Now, Peter, how would you even know if I'm right for you when you haven't read my stuff? You should choose somebody whose books you like.
SabrinaJef - My books are Regency historicals. What period are YOU writing in?
Cel - Camby, you may have to repeat your question.
Peter B - I'm here to get hints.
SabrinaJef - That's okay, I remember the rest.
Peter B - Todays
SabrinaJef - How I got started--well, I sat down to turn my dissertation into a publishable book and ended up writing a romance.
Cel - Sorry Sabrina - my memory isn't what it use to be, so I wanted to make sure.
SabrinaJef - Still don't know why. I guess I'd just had it with academics.
SabrinaJef - I was NOT cut out to be a professor.
Camby - LOL Sabrina. Sounds like how I chose my major in college.
Reed - Sabrina, how long have you been writing?
SabrinaJef - My dissertation was on James Joyce--talk about going the other direction!
Camby - Or rather, how my major chose me.
SabrinaJef - I started writing in '88, got published in 91.
SabrinaJef - Exactly, Camby.
Sondra - Sabrinia, do you see yourself writing a contemp or about another period in history or setting?
SabrinaJef - Okay, what the code for a straight happy face?
SabrinaJef - Actually, my Deborah Nicholas books ARE contemporaries.
Cel - : d (without the space)
SabrinaJef - They're romantic suspense, all out of print, and tend to be expensive.
SabrinaJef - AND hard to find.
SabrinaJef - Thanks, Cel.
SabrinaJef -
Camby - colon dash end parenthesis : - ) (no spaces)
SabrinaJef - Hey, it works!
SabrinaJef - Well, I can do this after all.
SabrinaJef - As for writing in another period, I can't decide.
Cel - Of course if you want a really *evil* grin, it's * g *
SabrinaJef - In my career, that is.
Susanna - Sabrina - I met you a few weeks ago at the booksigning in Raleigh. I was with Jill from TRJ - enjoying your book
SabrinaJef - But my style was different.
SabrinaJef - That's why the new pseudonym.
SabrinaJef - Hi, Susanna! Is Jill going to be here?
Cel - Sabrina, will you be writing any more novels under Deborah Martin or Deborah Nichols?
Camby - Sabrina, did you visit the British Museum when you were researching FL?
Susanna - I'm not sure. She's in Mississippi right now. Hopefully
SabrinaJef - Don't know, Cel. If I write any other historicals, they'll probably be Sabrina Jeffries.
Sondra - Interesting comment. Do you find there isn't a market for books set in other time periods. Are publishers just asking for contemp, regency historicals, medieval and westerns?
Susanna - Sorry if this questions been asked - how much research do you do per book?
SabrinaJef - But as for contemporaries, I have one Deborah Nicholas that needs to be revised. One publisher is interested in it.
SabrinaJef - No, Camby--I wish I could.
Cel - I have to admit, I've only read your Avon historicals, but would like to try some of your others (if I can find them that is).
SabrinaJef - Sondra, I could write in other periods if I wanted to.
SabrinaJef - I've just found that the light style works better with regencies.
Susanna - I hate being late - Sabrina what other type of jobs have you had?
SabrinaJef - The one period I wouldn't mind trying is Restoration.
SabrinaJef - I love those raunchy Cavaliers.
SabrinaJef - Okay, Susanna, to the first question, I do tons of research.
SabrinaJef - But it never seems to be enough.
Reed - how about WWII, there has to be some great mysterys in that time period
SabrinaJef - As for other jobs, I was a day care center director, an English professor, and a tech writer.
Camby - Okay, here's a question I'm never quite sure how to phrase: When you start writing a particular book, do you come up with a basic plot and then flesh out the characters around it, or do the characters come first and "tell" you what happened?
Reed - I'm an old movie buff
SabrinaJef - WWII never really interested me, I'm afraid, Reed.
SabrinaJef - That's interesting, Camby, because it changed for me.
SabrinaJef - I started out as being what they call a plot-driven writer.
SabrinaJef - These days, I think I'm more of a character-driven writer.
Susanna - I'm curious about tatoos were they common in Regency times?
SabrinaJef - That's why Ian could "ask" for his own book.
SabrinaJef - Tattoos were common with the lower classes in remote areas like Wales.
SabrinaJef - But not with regular people, I don't think.
SabrinaJef - Reed, I love old movies--just not WWII ones.
Camby - That seemed to me the way you wrote. The books are so character driven. All sub-plots aside, it's the characters that take center stage. Seems like a difficult thing to do with historicals.
SabrinaJef - Why, Camby?
SabrinaJef - I mean, why does it seem difficult?
Cel - Jill is going to try to join us but her dads computer is not cooperating right now.
Camby - You had to ask! LOL Well, I was just thinking about all the hub-bub recently about historical accuracy in books. With trying to stick so close with the accuracy, particularly in plot, mode of dress, language, etc. some characters become less three dimensional.
SabrinaJef - Um, I think I'm missing something on this end. I've only seen one message since my last comment.
Reed - brb
jill -
- 3/5 at 9:53pm EST
SabrinaJef - That's interesting, Camby. I don't see why an author couldn't be accurate AND have well-developed characters.
Cel - Hi Jill
SabrinaJef - Yay, Jill!!
jill - Hi all!! Hi Sabrina!!!
Peter B - Hi Jill
Stacey - Hi Jill
Camby - I don't know how to express what I'm thinking.
jill - Hopefully I won't be booted.
Peter B - What ways of research do you use ?
SabrinaJef - /wav
SabrinaJef - Well, that didn't work.
SabrinaJef - Okay, for research, I use all kinds of things.
Peter B - // wave (no spaces)
SabrinaJef - I've got about 100 books I use at home.
Susanna - Hi jill
!
Peter B - Books, Internet, visiting places ?
SabrinaJef - I also use period newspapers (especially for the book out now)
Peter B - Ok, you ansered before I could ask
SabrinaJef - And yes, I use the internet a lot, but cautiously.
Camby - M point Sabrina! Why can't there be both? But, it just seems that, to me at least, in historicals, trying to keep with historical facts sometimes, takes away from the characters emotions and personalities.
Peter B - Where you can get these newspapers ?
SabrinaJef - It's hard to tell online if somebody knows what they're talking about.
Camby - Hi Jill
SabrinaJef - Camby, that's just bad writing.
SabrinaJef - Sorry, but it is.
SabrinaJef - Or maybe it's writing for a different audience.
Peter B - Ok
jill - Hi Camby!!!
SabrinaJef - Peter, university libraries usually have them.
gerri -
- 3/5 at 9:56pm EST
Peter B - Hi Gerri
SabrinaJef - And since I used to work at a university
Cel - Hi gerri
Stacey - Hi Gerri
SabrinaJef - Hi, Gerri!!!
Sondra - hi jerri
SabrinaJef - //wav
gerri - HI All
Reed - hi jill and gerri
Peter B - Well, have to look there. Thanls
Peter B - nt
SabrinaJef - Now wait a minute, I did it right that time and it still didn't work.
Peter B - Thanks !
SabrinaJef - Old newspapers are great.
jill - Hi gerri!! Hi reed!!
SabrinaJef - You can find out how people REALLY thought.
Peter B - // wave (without spaces)
SabrinaJef - Peter, are you writing historicals?
Camby - Yeah, that's what it boils down to. My point is, your books are so character driven, with the plot coming in a close second in importance to me, that that's why I enjoying them so much. And since I've completely befuddled myself, and you too, I'll stop now.
Peter B - No, so I'm used to work with actual newspapers. And my latest is fantasy
Cel - You left off the *e*, Sabrina. LOL
SabrinaJef - Hey, don't stop--that was a good question!
Camby - Hi gerri
SabrinaJef - Thanks.
SabrinaJef - Yay!
SabrinaJef - Geez, I do my own web site--you'd think I could handle THIS.
Sondra - I got distracted. But I'm back. Sabrina, what's a typical day for you? Are you generally writing 2 books a year?
gerri - Hi Camby
Reed - sometimes its the simple things that trip ya up Sabrina
SabrinaJef - In a good year, I write two books. Lately it's been more like 1 and a half.
Peter B - Sabrina, I was programmer for more than 15 years and what have I struggled with this icons LOL
Peter B - But you are a full time writer now ?
SabrinaJef - I have an autistic son, and as he gets older and harder to handle, I have trouble getting as much work done as I'd like.
SabrinaJef - Yes, I'm a fulltime writer.
SabrinaJef - Typical day, Sondra? No such thing
SabrinaJef - I'm very distractable.
SabrinaJef - I write, then I get coffee, then I wipe the counters, then I go online, then I . . .
SabrinaJef - You see what I mean?
Peter B - Is it possible to live from writing ? Really ?
SabrinaJef - But I always try to get a certain amt. written.
SabrinaJef - And I'm a workaholic.
Sondra - Well, if you're a mom I can understand. I just spent a couple of days with my friend's two sons, and I now REALLY appreciate a mother's energy!!
SabrinaJef - Depends on what you call living.
SabrinaJef - Peter, when they were talking about you and coffee? Well, I subsist on coffee.
Sondra - Do you set a goal for the number of pages you write a day?
Peter B - So it wouldn't be a good idea to give up my job
Susanna - Do you enjoy booksignings - you were very gracious to me
!
SabrinaJef - If any of you are interested in the moneymaking side, I have an article at TRJ that gives the straight dope.
SabrinaJef - Amounts and everything.
Camby - Ahh... a fellow coffee addict.
jill - The TRJ article is very informative even if you don't write.
SabrinaJef - Good coffee is my life. And I'm originally from New Orleans, so I drink it STRONG>
Peter B - No, not really. I'm writing more for my own fun.
SabrinaJef - No, Peter, don't give up the day job.
Peter B - I'm since long years working in EDP - isn't possible without
and sometimes
Cel - Sabrina, the 2 signings you are doing in Raleigh this month - will you be the only author there?
Camby - I'm still trying to think of a way to make a living reading books. LOL
SabrinaJef - That's one of the nice things about being at the beginning of a writing career--you really are doing it solely for fun.
SabrinaJef - LOL, Camby! If you find out, let me know.
SabrinaJef - No, Cel, I'm doing the first one with Claudia Dain.
Sondra - When you figure it out Camby, let the rest of us know...
Peter B - That would be better than writing Camby LOL
SabrinaJef - And the second one with her and Kathryn Fox and Brenda Jernigan.
Susanna - Just think of the money we could make Camby!
SabrinaJef - Did any of you see the cartoon about writers a couple of weeks back in the funnies?
Camby - What, and have you all for competition? No way! LOL
Sondra - Sabrinia, I'd like to get your thoughts about promoting your books in today's market? Obviously, the internet is big...
Peter B - I once started to wirte after my
was empty
Camby - Um, which one was that Sabrina?
SabrinaJef - I think the internet has been a real boon.
Peter B - No, what was it about (I'm not in america)
Reed - An empty tbr pile!! wow!!
SabrinaJef - It had an devil showing this writer the writers in hell.
Peter B - That's wha I have to go shopping tomorrow
SabrinaJef - And when the writer asked what it was like in heaven, it was the same, only they were published.
Camby - LOL Sabrina
SabrinaJef - They were chained to desks, etc., and forced to write.
Peter B - Very realistic, also for fun writers !
SabrinaJef - That's what it's like--heaven and hell.
SabrinaJef - BTW, I'm doing a mailing right now. Do y'all respond much to mailings as readers?
SabrinaJef - I'm sending out my Parasol Papers to anybody who entered my contest in the past.
SabrinaJef - Unless I get tired, in which case, I'll stop before I do them all.
SabrinaJef - There's WAY too many.
Camby - Oh hey! I think I entered a few.
jill - I like to read them but I figure most authors (and since I know you I know what your schedules like) are too busy to respond.
SabrinaJef - Good, Camby! I'll be sure to send you one.
Susanna - I'm with Jill
SabrinaJef - No, Jill, I meant does it help you decide to buy or not buy a book?
Peter B - Yes, but I think every writer is happy to know what the readers think about the books.
Camby - Sabrina, was it you who had the contest about naming your next book? Apologies if I'm confusing you with someone else.
SabrinaJef - Yes, I love getting fan mail. And I answer it all, just not in as timely a fashion as I'd like.
Sondra - Sabrinia, I love the cover of Dangerous Lord. Do you get some sort of approval for your covers?
Peter B - Chat's like these will at least me help to decide to have a look in your books.
SabrinaJef - That was me, Camby. And no, Avon has not made up its mind yet.
SabrinaJef - It's driving me crazy!!
SabrinaJef - Glad to hear it, Peter.
gerri - It does me Sabrina......I like it because it remeinds me they are coming out with a book.
Cel - Because I use the Internet so much and read various bulletin boards, mailings are usually not very helpful to me (unless there is info that hasn't popped up on the boards).
SabrinaJef - I can make suggestions on covers, but they mostly ignore authors on that.
SabrinaJef - Peter, are you the one in Germany?
Camby - I like it Sabrina. I think postcards like what Kathleen Eagle and MEP send out are great. Friendly reminders, you know?
SabrinaJef - Because Pirate Lord is coming out in German.
jill - Oh well didn't I write you to tell you I liked your books?? I'll tell you what I like. I'm on a list that sends out excerpts of romances. I've bought several after reading the excerpts.
Susanna - Mailings or an email do let me know when a new book is coming out so I can mark my calendar
Peter B - True right - and my wife is making my covers, but she will ignore me also.
Reed - I've never understood that, why would they ignore the authors input on the cover?
Cel - I do enjoy the postcards.
SabrinaJef - I might go to postcards next time. A LOT easier.
Peter B - Yes, Sabrina. That's why I need for weeks to get books only published in america.
SabrinaJef - Writers aren't artists, that's why. They don't think we know anythign about it.
SabrinaJef - Also, we're not marketers either.
Peter B - Hey, that's good news !
Reed - sometimes it looks like the artist never asked what the hero looked like
SabrinaJef - Yes, Jill, I wans't talking about you specifically.
Susanna - Sabrina - how much impact does a cover have in relation to sales?
SabrinaJef - I'll tell you, Reed, they don't really care.
Camby - Do you do your own marketing? Or does Avon pretty much handle it all?
Cel - Sabrina, just pray whoever the artist was that did Suzanne Brockmann's latest category never gets near one of your books.
SabrinaJef - Avon absolutely refuses to put a red-headed guy on a cover.
jill - But I have to say the Parasol Papers are really great!! I read them after I read all the books and really liked them. Have you thought about maybe doing an email version of the papers??
SabrinaJef - They say they don't sell.
SabrinaJef - Oh, Cel, you're not kidding.
Peter B - The most important to me is that little synopsis at the back side.
Reed - you must be right Sabrina, I've seen some really bad covers
SabrinaJef - Jill, you mean without the artwork?
SabrinaJef - Would it still be fun?
Susanna - I agree with Peter - I have a tough time buying an unknown without some idea of time period, etc.
jill - Ok I have to confess, I will buy a cover of a dark haired guy before a blonde or red head. No I like the artwork but maybe you could scan it and send it out.
SabrinaJef - But Susanna, what about all the review sites online and stuff--don't those help?
Camby - I pretty much stick to what people have recommended to me.
Susanna - They do - but in my case I work alot so I don't have the time to go to the sites - so most of my reading comes via personal recommendations, this group and stuff I just try
Reed - Me too jill, blonde or redheads do nothing for me
Sondra - I think online books sites like TRR and AAR (to a lesser extent) are really helpful. They at least give me a synopsis of the plot.
SabrinaJef - Jill, I'd have to do it as an attachment, and I don't know if readers would appreciate it. I do have it online, but nobody seems to go there much.
gerri - I don't really pay attention the reviews.....Not everyone likes the same thing...
Cel - Speaking for myself, I have various authors that are *auto-buys* (you are one of them BTW), but I do use TRR for trying out a new author (for me). Just my opinion, but I don't care much for AAR.
Peter B - To mee mostly not. I buy in my bookstore and suddenly I find something new. And then first I take my look an that short text. 'And if this is interesting, I take a look on the first pages. You see, I spend a lot of time in book stores.
Camby - Of course, my personal test is to read the first few pages of a book. If it doesn't catch my interest, I'll put it back.
SabrinaJef - How come, Cel?
Susanna - Reviews are fine when the reviewer and I have the same taste. I have been burned bad with reviews
SabrinaJef - Well, I wish ONE of them would put up my review.